I really love Catavino – it’s such an informative and innovative source of information on Spanish & Portuguese wines. The food of the region is key, but it’s just as vital to know about the great wines available too. This is the place to find out!
Jose Pizzaro http://www.josepizarro.com

Iberian Cheese and Wine Pairing – Our Writer’s Comment

cheese2Yesterday, a good friend asked for some suggestions on cheese and Spanish wine selections for a party by email. Specifically, he wanted a handful of wines and cheeses that he could find in and around Minnesota. Not having a clue as to what is currently available in the Minnesota market, I thought it would be interesting to get the responses of a few of our writers and friends on what they thought were good choices. I’m glad I did. The following are a few quotes in response to this email:

…What he wants is to go pick up some Spanish wines, and find some cheeses that we would suggest to pair with them. So I thought it might be good to ask our writers, and friends for a few of their favorites…

Wines – Spanish but stick with region/grape/style rather than producer
Cheeses – Looking for general ones, though if there is a particular favorite, let us know. Best though we stick with “strong blues” or “hard Parmesans” etc…

And the responses…

Justin Roberts

Hard, dry, salty goats’ milk cheeses from the villages in the Sierras de Malaga and Cadiz go very well with dry Amontillado or Oloroso.

The Payoyo cheeses from Villalengua del Rosario are probably the best known example but there are many others like the Gazul cheeses from Alcala de los Gazules.

Payoya is a breed of goat by the way as in la raza Payoya. Malagueña goats are similar and make similar cheeses.

Cheese and nutsRicard Giner

OK, I love this question because I am a cheese fanatic. You won’t believe it but only yesterday I flew to Amsterdam specifically to buy cheese at De Kaaskamer, one of Europe’s finest cheese shops. You’re talking to a cheese Taliban here.

Recently I came to the conclusion – deep breath here – that most table wine DOES NOT go well with cheese. I think it is a fallacy to mix wine and cheese indiscriminately. Even the idea of red wine and cheese is based on a complete mistake, and is inexplicably persistent. I learnt this at a seminar with Neal’s Yard tutors. There are good scientific reasons for this, to do with the way the chemical compounds react when combined. Tannin and salt do not go well at all, producing a terrible effect on the palate, so red wines and blue cheeses are a disaster, as are red wines with cheeses high in salt crystal content (such as old manchego). In fact red wines with any cheese, full-stop.
However, those of us who love both things are always seeking solutions to this problem. I offer the following thought:
  • Great Spanish blue cheeses – the only truly great one is Cabrales, and this MUST NOT be had with any wine, but with cider, pref. from Asturias
  • Other significant salty blue cheeses from other countries, such as Roquefort, Stilton, Gorgonzola (not the sweet one) should be had with port (LBV is v. good, or perhaps crusted) – the combination is DIVINE, or a sweet sherry, such as an Amontillado or a Cream
  • Powerful manchegos also go well with port, perhaps a tawny, and can just about be handled with a dry sherry, served cold; serving an old, dry manchego with red wine is foolish and thoughtless
  • The great Catalan goat’s cheeses, such as Montsec, can be had with either a young unoaked red (a Mencía from Bierzo would work well, but not oak-aged), slightly chilled, or a cava – can’t go wrong there
  • Cava also goes well with ewe’s milk cheeses from the Pyrenees
  • Albariño is very good with smoked cheese from the Basque country, such as Idiazábal – the fruit plays off very well against the smoke, delicious
  • And the greatest cheese known to humanity, bar none, Torta del Casar, the “I-want-a-smelly-peasant-to-smear-my-naked-body-with-50-tortas-the-day-before-I-die” cheese, should not be drunk with table wine. It should be had with old vines Monastrell sweet wine. Then you die. Smiling.
Just a few random thoughts.
Have a good hot weekend!!
Ricard

I also am a cheese lover, though not perhaps in Ricard’s class – what a fantastic email from him. He is not alone in his take on wine and cheese. Michael Broadbent writes on p. 12 of my copy of his “Wine Tasting: New and Revised Edition, 2003″ (Mitchell Beazley), “There are two conventions I like to overturn: red and wine and cheese, sweet wines with desserts. Unless the cheese is mild and the red wine is reasonably robust and not of fine quality the cheese spoils the taste of the wine. At all costs avoid pairing good qulaity red wine, burgundy in particular, with a fancy restaurants’s “sélection des fromagges…” I am less sophisticated and am happy to give it a go. Indeed, I all too often opt for the sélection des fromages as an excuse to finish the bottle of wine I’ve been drinking rather move on to pudding.

While deferring to Ricard on all counts, if Sauternes and Roquefort cheese are a classic combination, might it not be fun to try a classy sweet white with Cabrales?

I am devoted to Lancashire cheese (crumbly preferred) as a result of a few years living in Manchester a long time ago. This cheese’s acidity marries surprisingly well with champagne, in my view, and I’d be interested in trying it with Cava.

I was recently at an artisanal fair and was really impressed by the cheeses from Quesería Los Corrales in Castellón. This area has no particular cheese tradition (apart from the not very interesting Tronchón), but these people are bringing a lot of love to the process and are convinced that they are achieving distinc “terroir” characteristics from the wild herbs on the surrounding hills. I bought their whole range of cheeses after sampling at the fair, but unfortunately never got round to matching them with wines, as my dog sniffed them out, pushed the covered tray where I’d left them onto the floor and scoffed the lot – to my mind a far worse crime than the shoes and various other possessions he normally eats.

Again, I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I have been known to enthuse about white Rioja or Viura in general with Manchego, aged Rioja with Wensleydale (apologies also to Wallace and Grommit), Ribera del Duero crianza or resrvawith Brie, and Rioja and Ribera del Duero reservas with Pont L’Evêque.

Happy hunting,

John

Queso de Obeja BlandaCatavino – Ryan and Gabriella

We are fanatic’s about cheese though like a good block of swiss, our memory is full of holes when the names come into play. That said, we do enjoy almost all cheeses, from the stinkiest to the most delicate and ethereal. We also understand the world of pairing well, and even have some strong thoughts on the subject, but for now we’ll end this post with a small bit of advice for our friend.

For the perfect cheese and wine pairing evening do the following:

  1. Go out and buy a variety of wines by style: a sparkling (cava brut), sweet white (Moscatel, PX), sweet red (Port Wine, or sweet Monastrell from Alicante), big modern red (young Montsant), light aged red (old Rioja), and a bright white (Godello or Albarino), and if you’re like Gabriella and I, at least one good Vermouth!
  2. Then go to your cheese monger and find a wedge of the following cheeses: stinky, mild, blue, gooey, at least one dry and crumbly one, and for sure, something you think you won’t like, as surprises are nice!
  3. Invite friends over, open wines, and lay out the cheeses for all to taste.
  4. By the time the wines are all tasted and the cheeses have started to disappear, you’ll all have a favorite pairing that may, or may not, be “correct”, but I guarantee, you’ll all be happy and smiling! The exploration is so much fun.
Cheers,
Ryan and Gabriella Opaz

BTW this post made me dig up some old articles on Catavino that all cheese lovers must not miss!

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  • http://twitter.com/ricard67 Ricard

    Excellent advice from Ryan & Gabriella. I should add that too much wine and cheese and too little of anything else (salads, for example) doth not a happy tummy make! I guarantee sleepless nights. There is a price to every pleasure…

  • http://twitter.com/ricard67 Ricard

    Oh, I’m not self-publicising but here are some Torta photos I took over the last five or six happy cheesy years…
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=torta&w=8118498@N04

    • http://www.catavino.net Gabriella

      I am an enormous cheerleader of the Torta del Casar, as well as its cousin, the Portuguese Queijo da Serra da Estrela. I was given a long lecture at Vila Vinateca regarding their similarities by a Torta cheesemaker. What’s even more fun is to have them at different points in the aging process. Although I prefer the less aged Torta, creamy and delicious, the firmer and less pungent version is also fantastic.

      • http://www.cortesdecima.pt Carrie Jorgensen

        Don’t forget the other cousin, Alentejo’s Queijo de Serpa – in our mind, the creamiest and most delicious of them all!

  • http://wineconversation.com Robert McIntosh

    I’m very sad to see my contribution excised from the write-up. I think we cheese haters ought to have a voice too :)

    My contribution is very simply summed up as:

    save your cheese money and spend it on wine instead.

    There!

  • thewinesinger

    Ah, Robert! I am sad for you. But respect your cheese-free existence.

    Point about Torta del Casar: this obviously wonderful cheese (which I have never tasted) sounds very similar to Queijo da Serra da Estrela. Sheep’s milk again, mountain pastures, curdled by thistle, and best eaten when mature by removing the top and scooping out the gloriously gooey cheese. And my favourite pairing is with 10-year old tawny port (cf sweet old vine Monastrell).

    Should Spanish and Portuguese cheesophiles get together to compare delights?

    • http://www.ryanopaz.com Ryan

      Yes we should!!! I say can we do this? A wine and cheese tasting hosted by Catavino! There I said it. We’ll put it on Twitter, and set up a live blog where we can all talk about what we are trying. First ever “virtual wine and cheese tasting” – I say we pick 3 wine styles, and 3 cheese styles and then we can all chat about it. this could be a lot of fun.

      • http://www.catavino.net Gabriella

        Your comment was ridiculously exciting to us! Love an excuse to eat more cheese ;-)

    • http://www.ultimatewines.co.uk Paula Sindberg

      Ah, Queijo da Serra da Estrela – absolutely gorgeous. Would be happy to join a Spanish/Portuguese cheesophiles get-together, especially if there’s WINE, too. And given the likely company, we probably can find a bottle or two. LOL!

  • http://www.cortesdecima.pt Carrie Jorgensen

    I would love to join too, and would come well armed with our local Alentejan Queijo de Serpa!

  • Bill

    To all who contributed and posted, my thanks. I am the friend in question, and I am struck by the level of interest in this topic and the suggestions of the contributors. Thank you. I will incorporate these suggestions into my final set. There are endless options for pairing cheese with wine. Country of origin, type of milk, consistency, etc. Then, do you go broad or deep with these categories? Add the wine, and it’s similar story. Country of origin, grape type, level of sweetness . . . You get the picture.

    But don’t fret, I’ll sort it out and come back to these pages with my final selections and general comments from the participants about the pairings. Should be an interesting mix with American, French and Dutch palates in the fray.

  • Elly

    This thread reminds me of when Ryan and I picked up a burata in Madrid. I still have spontaneous memories of how good that cheese was, although I have no recollection of what wine we drank. Might even have been beer and bourbon, since I’d just arrived Maybe your wine and cheese tasting will encourage me to see what kind of cheese and what kind of wine I can find in Jordan on a student’s income. :)

  • Bill

    Elly, is that Jordan, Jordan or Jordan, MN?

    The Wine and Cheese party went off without a hitch. Getting anyone to write down what they thought about the pairings was another matter entirely. What follows is a list of the wine and cheese, plus some very unscientific “results”:

    Wine:

    Domaine Vacheron Sancerre 2007
    Loire Vallley, France

    Toad Hollow Un-Oaked Chardonnay 2007
    Mendocino Co, CA

    Lagar de Cervera
    Albarino 2007
    Riax Baixas. Spain

    Leitz
    Rudesheimer Klosterlay
    Reisling Kabinett 2007, Germany

    Ch Bellevue Peychaneau
    Bordeaux Superior 2005
    France

    Dow Vale DO Bomfim 2007
    Douro, Portugal

    Dogajolo
    Tucscany 2007

    Cote du Rhone 2003
    France

    Ch. Talbot
    Bordeaux 1995
    France

    Cheese:

    Chatelain Double Cream Brie
    France

    French Country Chevre

    Donnay Chevre
    Kimball, Minnesota

    Maytag Blue
    Newton, Iowa

    Saenkanter Aged Gouda
    Netherlands

    Widmer’s 8-Yr Cheddar
    Theresa, Wisconsin

    Idiazabal Basque, Spain

    Overall, the most popular cheese was the double cream brie. The two most popular wines were the Dow red and the Albarino (we didn’t share the Talbot widely) :-)

    The non-American’s in the group, mainly French, were astounded at the quality of the American cheese and actually preferred the Minnesota chevre to it’s French counterpart.

    All in all, a lovely evening. I can’t wait to try it again soon.

  • Robert Cundy

    The cheese party sounded a great success. I went to one recently were the host read cheese poetry out of a a recent publication;
    Tasting to Eternity…a memorable evening.

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