Social Media and wine, a logical intersection. Yesterday, I had someone call me for a quote about an online tasting that Catavino will be hosting, inquiring “how can wine and the internet work together, they are so different?” I responded by saying that the internet is a communication tool, and wine inspires communication. Thus they are a perfect combination. Today, social wine sites are popping up right and left. This combined with the social dynamics of wine blogs, ends up making for a rich landscape of wine conversations. Some are professional in style, while others are dialogs among amateur wine lovers. For a winery trying to figure out how to interact with all these new outlets of communication, it can be a daunting endevour.
Enter Vintank, “…VinTank is a specialized development firm that forms a unique bridge between high technology and the wine industry…” Part of this bridge includes the goal of releasing white papers on new online technology that relates to wine.
To ensure that we are keeping in alignment with understanding the best opportunities for wine related and technology companies, Vintank will be releasing a series of analytical whitepapers as well as “The Pulse” – a series of tactical reports that analyzes the immediate impact of technology and Internet trends and developments that impact the wine industry.
A few weeks ago, they released their largest effort to date: the Vintank Social Media Report (direct download link). Over 80 pages of analysis on select wine social networks, and a quick peek at the effects of wine bloggers on the wine world. Before we give our views, we will say that if you are in the wine world, this document is a must read. While we have found some issues with the report as a whole, I do think it is worth reading. And it’s a great first step to mapping the social wine landscape.
I rather not get into rehashing the report here. Therefore, I suggest you go download it, read it and then leave your feedback at the bottom of this post. My intention is to make a few points that I hope will give this report context, while adding some additional suggestions. Before I do though, I must make one thing clear, Catavino Marketing works with European Wineries, and retailers almost exclusively. So our analysis will focus on the value that European wine professionals can take from this report. Also to full disclosure, we work closely with Adegga.com and consider the developers close friends.
- First off, this is a report for the American wine industry, or those that sell wine within America. It is completely US market focused, and while there are many points and bits of information for wine professionals around the world, it is not meant for someone in the UK to consider what they should be doing when crafting an online social media strategy. This is most obvious with the inclusion of Gary Vaynerchuck as a primary “social network” and the statement, “In the wine social network arena, there is no person more powerful or influential across ALL networks than Gary Vaynerchuck”. In the US market, this is a very true statement.
Also with the exception of the social tasting note site Adegga.com, all other analyzed networks user bases are heavily US based (average user base of 60%+ US visits). I say this because in our view, the phenomenon of Social Tasting Note sites have not fully penetrated the European consumer markets as of yet. There is a movement towards this, though at present, it is not a major force.
Also no non US focused social wine networks were included in the report apart from Adegga.com. Others that should be mentioned are: Vinoo, Vinix, Wine-Pages, and Verema. Both Verema in Spain, and Wine-Pages forums in the UK, have a marked impact on wine sales in their respective regions, though they both lack any 2.0 charm. I understand that this report is for the American market, and that evaluating the effectiveness of an Italian social network is not of great value to the US wine professional, but the report does state on the front page “The state of Wine Industry Social Media”, a statement that should be changed to “The state of American Wine Industry in Social Media”. While this may be obvious, the report has more value when labeled correctly so that wine professionals can better understand how to interpret it.
I make these points because we as global wine community need a global picture and at this point, we only have a US picture. I hope that future versions include a broader perspectives, or that other companies globally step up to tackle some of the areas lacking in this first attempt at a comprehensive Social Wine Picture. - What this report does do well is break down the various leading Social tasting note sites which include Snooth, Adegga, Cellartracker, and in their opinion VinCellar. Cork’d was included, a network purchased by Gary Vaynerchuck, though with little in the way of influence from what I can tell, and their report reflects this. With so much Spam in the wine database, this appears to be included only because Gary owns it.
Also Winelog.net was included, though from the summary given in the report this seems to have been more of a bid to help Winelog find a buyer. Their numbers and activity levels are pretty low, and while not that interestint currently, they do have a nice platform that someone could take advantage of.
So looking at the big 4, I would have to say that the only one I am confused about is Vincellar. While a lovely application, with beautiful design and tons of potential, I can’t seem to figure out why it along with Cellartracker were given the “highly recommended” stamp of approval. From Vintanks own words Vincellar seems to be lacking in many “social aspects”: “Tasting notes are anemic…”, “…many users were not active…”, “Not enough grouping or friending abilities…”, “Not enough focus on common the[sic] wine drinker”. This last point being most relevant in my mind. If you are a wine collector, or auction wine buyer, I do think Vincellar is second to none, and I would highly recommend it myself. It I didn’t already use three other wine sites, and had a cellar over 200bottles deep, I would also use this application for cellar management, as it is second to none. But as a producer, or retailer selling wines to the average consumer, I see no/very little value in expending energy on this site. Haut Brion should be there for sure! Torres on the other hand might want to focus on sites with more robust user bases, and that target the non-collecter.
I don’t mean to beat up on Vincellar, I like the site a lot, and think they are doing a great job, I just question their high rating in a “Wine Industry Social Media” report. If they are grading on potential than the mark is merited. But if potential is what they are being rated on, Adegga.com might also gain the highly recommended stamp.
That said the report has been and should be read carefully by all sites that were analyzed. Vintank offers for the most part great suggestions for all platforms, and with only a couple exceptions their insight on what is lacking in each platform is spot on. - Finally blogging, the white elephant in the room, has recently been getting cheap pot shots by various main stream journalists as of late. I had thought this report was going to have more information on wineblogging and its influence on wine sales. But in the end, this section ended up being rather anemic, focusing on broad generalizations. I understand that the Vintank crew realizes this, and admits that the whole report became a bigger project than first anticipated. But I can still hope that we see more information in the near future. According to a note in the report, they were unable to get good information from many bloggers due to various reasons.
There is one important quote I want to highlight from the blogging section:Wine bloggers in aggregate may be more powerful than traditional online outlets but are so fragmented in ideologies, practices, and goals that creating a unified marketing and PR plan almost[sic] impossible.
This is very true, and I hope that wine bloggers can work to find a way to aggregate our power better. One step might be better defining who we are and what we do, by setting up types of wine blogs and setting some basic definitions for each type, an excercise I fear would be less effective than cat herding on the open plains. In this way wineries might find better ways to communicate with the community. Hopefully the EWBC and WBC are events that can help make this happen in some way.
Finally, the blog report is a briefly followed with the question “Should a winery blog”, and the answer is that a winery blog “…is last on the list of marketing tactics…”. Something I have to say we whole heartedly disagree with. Primarily for the simple reason that not all blogs are created equally. Winery blogs do not need to be updated in the same way as a “wine blogger” might, and they can add depth and richness to any winery site, while at the same time, helping out for free with SEO on your main domain. One of my favorite winery blogs, Perrin et Fils, primarily is only updated during the harvest (though as of late, they are posting more regularly) showing the consumer an important part of the wine making year. For us, a winery blog should have a strategy, and this strategy should reflect the amount of time you have to dedicate to writing. Even a few posts a year can really help a consumer to connect with your winery, much more than a static page of winery details. Not every winery should blog, but a winery blog as part of your initial marketing campaign is not a irrational move.
So having been somewhat critical so far, we do want to stress that this report is very useful. Some of the key points to look at include:
- Data Cleanliness – No matter who you are, if you have the time almost all these networks should be looked at by wineries to see how their wines are being represented. The “Data Cleanliness” stat is very telling and a good gauge for where to start your searches!
- User Numbers – Notoriously hard to evaluate and judge, but I do think the information given is a nice snapshot at what the online social wine landscape looks like.
- The “Big Boys” - Vintank does provide a nice recap of the benefits of Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, all of which are becoming more and more relevant to the online wine world. Read these chapters closely bearing in mind that statements like “Any professional in the wine industry…” actually means, “Any professional in the American Wine Industry…” Turns out the group in LinkedIn called “Direct to Consumer Symposium Group” has nothing to do with the European market.
In the end, this is a must read for all wine professionals, if for no other reason than to show that the convergence of the internet and wine is the future. You can fight it, but the momentum is there, wine consumption is being shaped by online communities and publishers. Thank you Vintank for sticking your neck out and attempting something that is needed first step on a long road.
Cheers,
Ryan Opaz
www.catavino.net

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Ryan,
Well done on giving the global perspective on this report. The amero-centrist view of business publications used to really annoy me when I lived in Europe. Now I live in the US I have grown almost completely immune to it, my reactions dulled by expressions like “The World Series”. The dominant culture is very insiduous. That said I still bristle when someone refers to the UK as England, much as a Canadian or someone from Portugal might react to the Elephant next door.
You call for others to tackle a broader global perspective in future versions of this report, but surely this is a challenge that could be dropped at your own door. Wouldn’t Catavino be the perfect host for a Euro-centric or Iberian version? This would be a big undertaking but the benefits could be equally large if you are able to raise your profile in the same was as Vintank.
Ryan – A great counter piece. I too would have liked to have seen the report focus more on which sites actually help wineries sell more wine today. “Social” is a feature and in itself not important (features vs benefits: no one buys anything based on a feature, people shop based on benefits). There are some very large non-social sites that sell a lot of wine. Wineries would be well served understanding more about the sites that impact their business today.
Ian, thanks for throwing the gauntlet at Ryan’s feet! As you say, Catavino, and their friends Robert McIntosh and Adegga would be the right people to tackle this challenge. As the first Portuguese winery to have an internet site, and sell online way back in the last century, Ryan and Gabriella opened our eyes to winery blogging and social networking 12 months ago, when we became the first Portuguese winery with our own blog. And we have never looked back!
Now, more than ever, in the current uncertain economic scenario, no Iberian or European winery, can be in doubt of the need to throw aside their old notions of expensive, static advertising and invest their time, creativity, and of course money (in that order!) to develop their online social profiles.
Ryan and Gabriella,
Thanks for the write up and good objective overview. I do apologize that we do tend to have a few unintentional biases as it relates to wine and e-business including an accidental amero-centric view, winery focused, and direct focused. We’ll strive to be more objective and inclusive going forward. We also will add those networks you mentioned to our next version of this report (same bat time, same bat channel) next year.
WineLog was included not as a sales vehicle (that was commentary I personally added) but out of respect for one of the oldest PURE wine social networks and also demonstrative of how attracting net influencers to these platforms are KEY for their growth and health. We also think that wine bloggers and writers should participate in these platforms as it is healthy for their personal brands.
VinCellar – They are innovating quickly and looking to round out their social network aspects as well as attract the common consumers. They are also a strong community as well focused on wine collectors and the ethos of “commerce.” Their partnership with CellarTracker today makes their total community even larger. I think they have made great strides in their platform adding more social aspects and even more innovative ones coming.
To Ian’s point, we hope this is a foundation to build upon (especially for thought leaders such as yourselves) to help wine succeed online. Many thanks again for the write up and looking forward to seeing you both at the WBC.
P
I would argue that you can never have a truly global report without partners outside of America. Personally I thought the idea of an American bias such as I have experienced since living outside of America, was more of an idea than a reality. The truth is though, there is a wall around the US, that makes it very hard for those within to understand what it is like to live outside of it. Living abroad as Ian points out makes it VERY clear, that this is the case.
If I were you would embrace this fact and make your report the best it can be for an American market, since you are in the end servicing an American market. There is nothing accidental about the amero-centric focus, it is who you are, and where you are. Just be careful when you use phrases like “State of the Wine Industry”. In the end with America being the biggest wine market, there is no need for you to fracture your report by including the world.
r
Philip – we will be doing a report on marketing agents soon.
Ryan – I have lived abroad and we did include some foriegn sites and tried to make the report relevant to US and foriegn producers. We do our best to include all and it was accidental that we didn’t get every perpective (a by product of time, resources, and change). We worked hard to do our best and dont want to get in the same challenges the American Wine Blog Awards dd in the past. However since it is the largest buying market and where we do business and reside it does get more attention as a by product but the information is relevant globally so I don’t think we fracture our report. We will try to do better in the future and look forward to your derivative or original works that complete our ommissions and add differing perspectives.
Paul, you need to realize your report is important for foreign producers, but only those that are active in the US market. You can never and will never, without major collaboration from a foreign partner, be able to address social media and wine in for instance the Chezch Republic, nor would you want to.
Focus on the US market, as you are, and take ownership of that. If I was a US retailer or producer your report is a great first step. Keep it up. There will always be parts that have wider relevance, but in the end that is not what matters.
What other foreign sites other than Adegga did you include? For instance, Verema I know you looked at, but didn’t include. Turns out if you want to sell wine in Spain, you HAVE to know who and what Verema is. Verema has 0 to no effect on sales in the US, but can make or break a winery here in Spain. So should they be in your report, no. But they are a vital part of the “State of the Wine Industry” if your in Spain.
Regardless, your report is good, and very specific to one market, which makes it better. Fracturing it into a world wide report would diminish it’s worth. I just, along with lot’s of other non-US based folks, want to see the tone of it reflect this.
Finally where did you live?
Phillip – I think Social Sites do affect sales today, though we still need more research. We’re all currently trying to figure out what is happening, and this at least is a solid first step. We’ll see what happens going forward.
Point taken Ryan. There is lots of work with lots of perspective yet to be done.
I lived in South Africa for a bit and I have been fortunate enough to travel for extended periods through France, Italy, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Germany, South Africa, Mexico, Canada, Japan, and Taiwan (mostly on wine business). Looking forward to some day going to the motherland, Spain, where I can share a glass of wine with you both and check out where my ancestors lived.